Seriously, I just spent over 3 hours trying to find the relevant info for applying for an NRSA. I got a link from the F32 general info page to my Institute, which under funding opportunities for post-docs then linked back to the same bloody F32 general info page which contained exactly zero useful information.
I tried to find the application deadlines with some success...I know when I should have submitted for each cycle....if I were applying in 2004. Since I will be applying in 2010 this is not particularly helpful, unless the same page also supplies the algorithm for projecting deadlines into the
I stumbled upon the pay rate table for NRSA awardees while looking for the "previously funded awards" (which I could not, for the life of me, find last week), which included the pay rates for awards in FY2009, along with a link to some blurb about % increases in stipends mandated for FY2010 by the ARRA stuff, but no hard numbers in a simple table like the one you provide for previous award years.
I thought it might be fun to recreate the virtual scavenger hunt that I've just been on via links for the amusement of my readers. But then I thought, No! That would not be fun! It would be painful! So I did not.
I did finally find the page for downloading the application, which contains the very well-noted caveat that I should ONLY use Form A if I am applying for the pre-February 4 2010 submission deadline, and that AFTER February 4, I should use "Form" not "Form A". OK, potentially confusing but I think I got it. Trouble is, the links do not provide a "Form", only "Form A", which you just told me in big bold shouty letters is now defunct.
So I figured that I'd just download "Form A" and fill it out and import to "Form" when it does become available. "Form A" appears to be one of those interactive PDFs so cool, right? Bzzzzt! NO! It's a read-only file! Despite the button at the top of the interactive PDF which opens in its own webpage and says "click here to save your info and continue later" I can neither click save nor even input any info into the required fields. Perhaps this is because "Form A" is now defunct? I DON'T KNOW! Also, there is another PDF file which provides the instructions for filling out a different required form (STF? no, you STFU!), but no PDF of the form itself, nor links to where I might find it. If I search for that form on the umbrella site, I get a bazillion hits and none of the top 10 provide the form itself nor links to it. However, I did find a page that would allow me to select all of the forms required for this particular mechanism (with the exception of the STFU form and "Form" of course) , and download them all at once. Only it didn't. Allow me to download them all at once, that is. Or even to download them individually.
Look, I know that the NIH has a lot of other more important shit to spend money on (like funding some research proposals, maybe even mine!), but balls! A
It occurs to me that the difficulty of the finding the required info just to submit the freaking fellowship is all a part of separating the wheat from the chaff, and also cutting down on the total number of applications that will then need to be reviewed, which may increase efficiency at the reviewing end. Any projected data on how many potential applicants just throw their hand in the air and say "fuck it!" before even submitting? I vow not to be one of them, but Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! It's tempting.


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Bureaucracy is a motherfucker. Good luck with your NRSA.
This page has the correct forms and instructions for your NRSA application:
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/424/index.htm
You know where to go for more detailed help!
NRSA stipends for 2010 here:
http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-10-047.html
My postdoc is also trying to decipher everything. Navigating the NIH website for the first time isn't for the faint of heart.
Thanks peeps! You're awesome!
Also, double check with your institution that getting an NRSA won't change your employee status. It's great to get the award, but some places will use it as an excuse to remove (staff) benefits (like health insurance) if awarded...
Yeah, I've heard that tideliar. Not sure how it works here but in any case, my PI can only guarantee a salary through 2010, so without a fellowship I will have neither benefits nor a job. PI is pretty reasonable, so I think ze could pitch in for the benefits if that ends up being a problem.
Thanks peeps! You're awesome!
Indeed :)
I've tried to look up stuff on NIH's website multiple times and quickly forgot what I was looking for, where I was, and who I was. I'm pretty sure it's a domestic terror device in development.
Also, double check with your institution that getting an NRSA won't change your employee status. It's great to get the award, but some places will use it as an excuse to remove (staff) benefits (like health insurance) if awarded...
The NRSA comes with an institutional allowance that is plenty big to pay for health insurance. Regardless, the benefits of having an NRSA *far* outweigh any potential financial downside.
1. When I was trying to apply, I was equally annoyed by the recursive bullshit.
2. Re: PP's comment. In my discipline, what counts most is *getting* the fellowship, not accepting it. When I accept my award, because I will lose my current status at the university- accepting the fellowship will cost me on the order of $8k a year (and no, I am not talking about my own health insurance, which the extra $7500 you get will cover). Fortunately, I have appealed to the higher-ups in my lab, and they're going to work out some kind of supplement so that I'm not actually losing money on fellowship.
There is no question that should I be awarded an NRSA, I will take it regardless of whether this loses me the institutional benefits. OTOH, I would feel a lot more comfortable about this were there not the very real problem of paying the bills. Were my financial situation less tenuous, I would not be at all concerned. As it stands, I have no qualms about being kind of a pain in the ass and insisting that someone work something out for me financially so that it's not a hit to the take-home income. Because I really truly cannot afford that.
AA, talk to your PI about making up the difference in stipend/benefits if you get the NRSA. My postdoc mentor had agreed to do this if I received an award (I didn't end up getting one) and I have the same agreement with my postdoc now.
Dude's kinda stingy but if I pitch a big enough fit I'm sure he won't say no. But I'm probably getting ahead of myself by even worrying about it yet.
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